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What’s a mobility wallet and how does it fit with equity?
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This week on the Talking Michigan Transportation podcast, conversations with two people committed to equity in transportation and access for all.
First, Valerie Lefler, founder and executive director of Feonix - Mobility Rising (pronounced like "Phoenix"), talks about what inspires her work and this week’s launch of the Mobility Wallet Pilot Program for veterans.
Later, David Bulkowski, executive director of Disability Advocates of Kent County (DAKC), talks about his long career working on the same goals and DAKC’s partnership in the program.
Some references in this week's show:
News release announcing the Mobility Wallet Pilot Program
https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/news-outreach/pressreleases/2023/08/03/michigan-mobility-wallet-pilot-program-for-veterans-launches-on-purple-heart-day
Disability Advocates of Kent County
https://www.dakc.us/
Feonix - Mobility Rising
https://feonix.org/team/
Connecting Transportation and Mobility Equity
Jeff CransonHi , welcome to the Talking Michigan Transportation podcast . I'm Jeff Cranson . Today I'm going to be talking about a topic that's near and dear to the hearts of anybody interested in transportation and mobility and who cares at all about equity in that area . It involves a great program that was launched just this week to help provide rides and better transportation access to military veterans , and it fits into a broader plan to find ways to connect people who might be in various vulnerable populations with transportation .
Jeff CransonThe announcement this week was made by the company Feonix Mobility Rising , in partnership with various agencies that advocate in this area , including Disability Advocates of Kent County . The executive director there , Dave Bulkowski , will join the podcast for the second portion . First, I'll be speaking with Valerie Lefler , who is the founder and executive director of Feonix , and she's very passionate about this issue . She's done a great job in a short amount of time already to move the needle in terms of helping people find transportation , especially people that otherwise are challenged to do that . So again , today I'm with Valerie Lefler , who is the founder and executive director of Feonix Mobility Rising . Valerie , thanks for taking time to be here .
Valerie LeflerThank you so much for having me , Jeff . It's a pleasure .
Jeff CransonSo let's start with the most basic question , because it's obviously part of the metaphor for phoenix and rising . Why is it spelled with an F ?
Valerie LeflerSo Feonix is spelled with an F , for one of the main reasons is for SEO optimization and also usability of finding things in the app store . In a previous life I had a tech startup that had a very generic name and when people would search it in the app store and things like that , it was on like version four or page four . So this just enables us to you know , when people look for Phoenix , they can find it quickly in Google and also the app store .
Jeff CransonThat makes a lot of sense . So here's what I really like the basic distillation of your background and I guess you know inspiration says that you are on a lifelong mission to make mobility equity a reality around the world . Wife , mother , half decent baker we can talk about baking another time , but tell me what drives you this passion ? I mean part of it obviously is faith and spiritual , but beyond that , you know what makes you so focused on this .
Valerie LeflerYeah , I think you know , as you said . You know my faith is a big part of this journey and definitely just kind of have been fortunate to learn . You know why I'm here on Earth , if you will . So I found my calling at a young age , but it's also interconnected with literally every type of resource that we need to access as humans . You know it doesn't matter how good the doctors are if you can't get there . It doesn't matter how good your teachers are at their job if the student can't get to school .
Valerie LeflerYou know all of these things , how we live , how we thrive are impacted by transportation and growing up on a dairy farm, my parents built in my DNA , from the time that I could walk , that your purpose on Earth is about giving back . And so for me to find my passion in transportation , knowing that every day I wake up and the work that I do supports hundreds and thousands of individuals who are seeking to live their best life , and whether that be work or employment or health care , it's just a passion , and I'm just really fortunate to know that that's what I'm supposed to do with my life .
Jeff CransonSo there's a lot of components to this and you know different kinds of people . I guess the one thing that they all share in common is challenges in finding reliable transportation and just the sense of freedom , independence that we all take for granted , that I can get someplace when I need to . This week's component was focused on veterans , but you obviously are very interested in poor people or the people that don't have the means to afford their own transportation and maybe don't have good access to transit , which is a problem in a lot of Michigan cities and rural areas especially . And then there's the disability component , which overlaps some especially with veterans . But could you talk about how your mission is about all those things ?
Valerie LeflerAbsolutely so, Feonix's mission is mobility solutions for the health and well-being of every person in every community and one of the things that we really focus on is filling in the gaps . So we love to partner with public transit agencies . We currently public partner with over 18 . We love to partner with small businesses and taxis and , you know , corporate businesses in providing and filling those rides . We bring volunteers into that equation to even fill even more gaps .
Valerie LeflerI think one of the analogies that I often use is Feonix seeks to be the flexi-seal of the mobility ecosystem , you know , filling in the gaps in the crevices and really supporting those who need that additional assistance when community partners may not have the bandwidth or the expertise to provide that level of support . So , for example , let's take a veteran who was recently diagnosed with cancer and his wife has macular degeneration and is unable to drive , and his children live in Florida and New York and he would never bother them because he wants them to be successful . So trying to get his kids involved is not gonna happen . He does want to be a burden to his family but he has 58 appointments of chemotherapy and radiation to attend and that cancer nurse or then social worker at the cancer treatment facility , she can have some resources to support him . But helping that veteran get connected with you know , the different transportation providers . So , for example , maybe he can use the bus for the first couple weeks , but then , as that starts to set in , he begins to feel weaker , his immune system gets reduced , you know . Then maybe you need assistance , transportation , or maybe you just need your own ride . So maybe an Uber or a taxi is a good option , or ride your way , and then , you know , you get to a certain point where you might need a wheelchair and then you need accessible transportation .
Valerie LeflerAnd so for us , being able to support our nation's heroes , our older adults , refugees , re-entering citizens , families in poverty who are trying to be well , who are trying to seek a job , like that's another skill set , and I think our work as part of the , the technology , is also that human element .
Valerie LeflerSo part of the work that we're doing also involves this new role called a mobility navigator , which is kind of like a cross between a travel agent and a community health worker where they take that person's journey , whether that be I need to get to work five days a week , or I need to get to chemo , or I need to get to . You know my child needs to see a specialist to get allergy shots and the nearest specialist that offers those resources is three counties away . Those community partners know there's a need but there's no bandwidth in their existing 17 jobs that they have to specialize in that , and so we take that on . So we're really about , you know it's not . We're not necessarily trying to solve transportation challenges for business travelers or for folks who are in the airport or commuting back and forth just day to day , for you know the good of humanity . But folks who are really like I have other challenges that I need support with or I just don't know even where to begin , and so we can provide that additional support .
Jeff CransonSo not that you're in this to , you know , make your first million , but how does Feonix , you know , thrive ? What's the , what's the ultimate revenue stream ?
Valerie LeflerYeah , so right now we are currently receive a lot of opportunities for funding through writing grants , much like the Michigan Mobility Wallet Challenge , but also we partner with major organizations that are advocates for mobility equity . We're just getting ready to start looking at and going after corporate sponsorships and things like that as we expand . But you know , we just really have been successful at , you know , identifying where there's a need and then how we can put together a plan to address it and so just really fortunate to you know , be good at grant writing and also have a really strong mission , and now we have the data and the model in a way that we can now scale , and that's where corporate partnerships or individual donors come in .
Jeff CransonSo yeah , talk a little bit about going from a nascent tech startup , of which obviously there are many , to where you are now in terms of growth and the team and all those things .
Valerie LeflerYeah , so we started about five years ago . Prior to that , I'd been running a tech startup that was known as a rural Uber . We were growing and we just had this exponential impact and trajectory and then the margins did not work out and many small businesses or even tech startups in that space you've got to be able to keep your margins , especially when you're venture funded , and so many times when I was pitching for venture capital , folks would say this is a nonprofit , I think you need to reorganize and go after grants and things like that . And so when the tech startup ended just really had such passion for what we were doing in the mission , I knew that I wanted to keep going , even though I'd lost pretty much everything .
Valerie LeflerWe were homeless , I lost my job . It was a very humbling experience and that gave me a whole other level of empathy and understanding , for I'm not in this to make money , but I'm in this to make a difference . And so , anyway , so that whole process of going from a tech startup where it's all about the margins and it's all about earning value for your shareholders , to running a nonprofit , leading a team of 30 , working across the United States with amazing partners doing really hard work , but very rewarding work , and being able to support so many individuals access to health care and life sustaining support , as well as helping individuals get to a point where they can buy their first car or they can buy a house for the first time for their family , and so just to spend an honor to be on this journey .
Jeff CransonYeah , I think that's a really good point , that all those other things that you're talking about as you go up Maslow's pyramid . It really starts with having basic mobility and being able to get places right .
Valerie LeflerYeah , absolutely .
Jeff CransonSo talk specifically about this week's launch in Michigan and the focus on veterans , and I guess what the vibe was as this thing rolled out across the state .
Valerie LeflerYeah , absolutely so .
Valerie LeflerMonday we were really excited to launch the Michigan Mobility Wallet Challenge Grant in Grand Rapids and Kent County and then in Jackson and Jackson County , but that program also includes Hillsdale , Lenawee County and Wayne County and we had the opportunity to do the launch there in Detroit at New Lab and it was just overwhelming , to say the least , because to see all of those community partners come forward to support a cause that I'm so passionate about .
Valerie LeflerI have a number of family who are actively serving and then also in my family have a number of veterans who lost their lives or came home never the same .
Valerie LeflerAnd I think to show because so many times the veteran transportation challenges are so complex in how their healthcare ecosystem is structured , we thought if we can use this opportunity to show how technology can make that possible and easier in not only urban communities but also rural , we will truly have solved a larger systemic challenge that also impacts other transportation disparity needs . It's like starting with your hardest use case and then things get easier from there , and it's a lot easier to start there than to try and say , well , let's solve it here and then we'll retrofit it for the veteran use case . So to be able to give back and meet those community partners and celebrate was just an honor . And then we had our very first writer . It was Danny Gilliam . He's a Purple Heart recipient . And then in Detroit we had the Tuskegee Airmen Museum vice chair and another veteran from the Marines and it was just such an honor to hear the stories of the veterans and the community partners and the excitement around what's possible and just those words of wisdom and support as we get started are invaluable .
Jeff CransonYeah , I think it's . You can't say enough
Transportation Challenges and Accessibility for All
Jeff Cransonabout this . We , in my former life as a journalist , I supervised a project several years ago where some University of Michigan students actually some journalism students or some students that were working on a major project looked at the city of Holland , Michigan , for all kinds of accessibility standards and just kind of spent a week looking at various things , everything from public buildings to restaurants to sidewalks and the challenges for somebody that uses a wheelchair or otherwise has a disability to get around , and we call that one access for all , and it's still a driving concept for much of what we all do .
Valerie LeflerYeah , absolutely . I mean it's like , if you wanna get me excited , talk about sidewalk infrastructure , Jeff . Like we have buses all over the place but there aren't sidewalks to get to them or there's not lighting . So if my 12 year old daughter needs to ride the bus , am I gonna ask her to wait in the dark for 30 minutes for the bus to come ? And especially if I live in a community that maybe it's a little dangerous or there's crime , and so we think about the whole mobility ecosystem . But we have to look at the bigger picture . We have to look at the weather , we have to look at we were talking with one of the nurses at Henry Ford Health System and she said , yes , I can give somebody a bus pass , but that doesn't mean that their children have shoes to walk through the snow and they have warm coats to wait in the weather at three degrees for 25 minutes with the wind blowing , and so it's like we have to , especially when we're supporting individuals who are going through , who are experiencing poverty or who have vulnerable immune systems .
Valerie LeflerYou cannot discount the impact of the whole person's needs in transportation .
Valerie LeflerSo another example is there was a research report that was done about veterans transportation to the VA back in 2018 , I think they looked at over , I think , four million veterans , so they had this really just all encompassing data set and they did some interviews and , like one of the veterans talked about how , because of the PTSD that he was experiencing , he could not ride the bus because the shaking of the bus over the speed bumps and the potholes and having people come in behind him , like he was so nervous he was physically ill by the time he got to his appointment and he ultimately stopped going to his therapy because it was so traumatic to get there .
Valerie LeflerAnd so it seems ridiculous when you're like let's just give him a bus pass we live on the bus line but when that person is going through that experience and needs that additional support , if we can spend $30 million to equip him with gear and ammunition and all the things that they need in warfare , why can we not give these men and women an Uber or a taxi or a service when they're seeking treatment , trying to recover from those experiences ?
Jeff CransonWell , when you talked about sidewalks and all the various existing challenges , and now we've got yet new modes scooters everywhere in Grand Rapids , where I live , and the , I guess , proliferation of e-bikes . And while Grand Rapids has been pretty progressive , like some other cities , in terms of bike lanes and buffered lanes , protected lanes , there's still a long ways to go , and so all these people are trying to share the sidewalk and imagine navigating that in a wheelchair .
Valerie LeflerOh , absolutely in a wheelchair , or if you are using a cane for support for vision , or even just are using a walker or crutches . I mean , I spent 23 weeks on crutches at one point in my life .
Valerie LeflerI have a new appreciation for that .
Valerie LeflerBut yeah , it really involves a balance and good policy , because I think micro mobility does provide value and extreme value in many cases in our mobility ecosystem , but the amount of money that we need to spend on user education and around the safety and the policy surrounding that is dramatically underfunded , and so it really involves and I think that goes for a lot of mobility projects where we spend so much resources on the tech and the devices and all the pieces of the literal mode , but then all the wrap around education and policy , around parking and equity and making sure that we're being mindful of just all of the things that go along with that sometimes get shortchanged or there's hardly any money in the budget .
Valerie LeflerI remember sitting at a shared use mobility summit and they spent like $13 million on the service and when I asked them what their marketing budget was , it was like 20 grand and it was like and then the pilot failed and you were like well , the user education should have been about 4 million , and so I think a lot of times we get so excited in the transportation industry about the stuff . We forget about the awareness and the people and how much money and time and energy should be invested in that alongside it .
Jeff CransonYeah , I've heard from my friends at disability advocates of Kent County that they're still getting a lot of interest as the word gets out . Thankfully , Monday's announcements generated some decent media coverage , but there's still gonna be a lot of people who would benefit from this that just don't know about it .
Valerie LeflerAbsolutely .
Jeff CransonYeah , well , thank you so much , Valerie , for doing this , and I think we'll talk again at some point down the road to see how these things are going and how , as you expand and some other related services , you know how that goes , but I certainly appreciate your passion and your commitment to helping the most vulnerable among us . So, thank you .
Valerie LeflerIt's an honor . Thank you so much , Jeff .
Partnerships and Technology in Disability Advocacy
Jeff CransonI'll be back after a brief message to speak with Dave Bulkowski of Disability Advocates of Kent County .
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Jeff CransonSo , as I mentioned earlier in the second segment , I'm going to be speaking with Dave Bulkowski , who is a long time advocate for these causes and for equity and access for all . He's the executive director of Disability Advocates of Kent County (DAKC) and a very close family friend . Is it okay if I share that , Dave ?
Dave BulkowskiHey , that's fine . Sure thing .
Jeff CransonTalk about what this week's launch means and how DAKC is involved , and then maybe more broadly about your I don't want to make you sound old , but your long time work in this area .
Dave BulkowskiYeah , well , because I'm old , just if I lose my track , please get me back on the multiple questions . But the most important thing that this week shows is partnerships and time work . As I've been reflecting on this opportunity and what I would share , that's what I kept going back to . Getting to know John Peracchio through the Michigan Council on Future Mobility was just awesome , and then his connectivity to Valerie at Feonix and just hanging out with people who want to do creative stuff to help other people .
Jeff CransonYou should have mentioned there that John is a board member of Feonix .
Dave BulkowskiAbsolutely . Yeah , I mean , he got recruited to the board as he was helping them make connections throughout Michigan . And again , John , is just a fantastic champion for doing something different because again , the same old , same old isn't working as well as it could be and it probably never really worked well in . You know what can get labeled the paratransit environment , meaning the service that complements mainline service . If you can't use the regular bus , mainline bus , paratransit comes alongside and then in both of those arenas , you know how technology can help us move forward . Yeah , so anyways , it's just a really cool opportunity this week to launch this new service with Feonix . They have a technology partner , that that , yeah , there's , and we got to keep experimenting and that's . You know , I'm still going to give shout out to MDOT for the creativity and the courage because you know , if you pave a road and two years later something happened and you got to repay the stretch , you might , you might get phone calls , Jeff , right .
Jeff CransonYeah , that does happen . More likely they would post something on Facebook .
Dave BulkowskiThere you go .
Jeff CransonLet's go to Facebook to your , but to your point , as you well know , having long served in various capacities in government and the nonprofit world , everybody says government should operate like a business and so if you do that and you take chances and try something and fail , then you're widely criticized for being incompetent . But in private industry that's all part of learning is taking a chance and making a mistake right .
Dave BulkowskiRight there's a guy that made a couple bucks in Silicon Valley who was from Muskegon , Michigan , and he said the biggest difference between Muskegon and West Michigan and Silicon Valley is here, we're so risk averse . If you have a failure, you're like shunned . But in Silicon Valley if you don't have five or six failures you're shunned because you're not trying hard enough , and so you know , and yeah , and , and so with them .
Dave BulkowskiI mean , you know I do have to give credit to Governor Snyder and director, former director Steudle, you know who cooked up this Michigan Mobility Challenge , which was , you know , golly cheepers . I hate to guess how many years ago it was , but not only did we have a eight million dollar fund to do the experimenting and the learning which Feonix Mobility had a project or two funded through that initial set of dollars . The initial meeting was three sets of people invited . It was people with disabilities , seniors and veterans , those who use the specialized services or paratransit , and it was the tech companies and it was the providers and , again , just the wisdom to bring the three user groups together .
Dave BulkowskiAnd a person that you've gotten to know , Jeff , and a good friend of mine , Dr . Kimberly at that time was Dr . Kimberly Kennedy and now Dr . Kimberly Barrington as a Veteran , soon to be senior person who uses a wheelchair . You know she was just and a person not afraid to share her opinion . You know people loved her being in that room because she was telling folks what worked and what didn't work and so being involved . And then and then she was on stage with Governor Whitmer when she launched her part of the mobility challenge . So again , for you know , kudos to Governor Whitmer to continue to invest in this and , knowing that things can be better . And I'm guessing the lieutenant governor , because he's a tech guy he's got his fingers in this too .
Jeff CransonOh , yeah , he would definitely be all about this . I mean just the equity imperative alone , but it's also about , you know , looking to the future . And even while the governor is very focused now on population and stemming the Outflow of Michigan residents and the brain drain , we realize that our population is getting older and it's why I've never understood why it's so difficult to get a better supportive structure in the legislature for transit , when so many Michigan's rural counties have aging populations and people that need , you know , mobility options . Why is that so difficult ?
Dave BulkowskiIt's the downside of this American rugged individualism and maybe it will shift . But you know , and this is painting with you know , definitely a big brush . But folks of you know the great generation , that generation to ask for help was , that , was just us , that was you again should be ashamed if you have to ask for help . The baby boomers have a slightly different perspective . So the baby boomers are starting to say , hey , where's my transit services ? So I think in the coming years , as as the baby boomers really get into retirement age , I think some of that political will will be created . That's my hunch .
Jeff CransonYeah , I think you might be right . That's a good theory . So we only have a couple minutes left , because I know you have to move on . But could you just talk about this week's announcement specifically and how it fits with your mission ?
Dave BulkowskiWell , I mean , first and foremost , the second half of our mission is to create an inclusive community for everyone , and transportation is it was probably a requirement in 99% of the things we do . Most of us don't live in walkable , rollable neighborhoods , so you got to get in a vehicle to go somewhere . And so , if you don't own your own vehicle , what do you do ? And you know you say why not ask your family and friends . That gets old fast , and so to have the freedom that this kind of collaborative service is going to provide is huge . And then the cool part about this is it you know Feonix and their tech partner .
Dave BulkowskiIt's bringing all options together in one place . So you know , if you're a veteran that wants to jump on one of those scooters or electric bikes and Grand Rapids , you're gonna be able to pay for it through the mobility wallet . You know , if you need to go further for a doctor's appointment , or you know you want to go to LMC ballpark for a game , you know you're gonna be able to find an option . So it's really collaborating on that , and they're still gonna have a human alongside if you need that navigation support . So, to me it's an awesome experiment and we'll do our best to what's the word . I'm looking forward to make sure people's expectations aren't over the top , and you know the patience of being an experimenter .
Jeff CransonWhat was the buzz Monday at your component of the announcement ? This actually was done in three different sites across the state , but the first one was at your offices in Kent County and what was the general feeling ? I mean , were there people asking skeptical questions or did you sense a lot of optimism ?
Dave BulkowskiOh , it was optimistic questions and I have gotten a bunch since that . How do I get connected ? How do I get connected ? How do I get connected ? When will I be able to be connected ? I'm not a veteran , you know when because there are phases to this rollout , starting with veterans , people of low income next and
New Transportation Innovation
Dave Bulkowskiso on . So again i t's an excited buzz and curiosity . Of course , the skeptics will come and as people use it I mean folks with disabilities that I hang out with they know how to ask questions because they don't want the experiment to land them , you know , six miles from home with no way back , and so they know how to make sure things are covered . So , but , all in all , this week is just filled with a new , cool thing that will be effective .
Jeff CransonThat's great . Well thanks , Dave , and good luck with this as it expands and moves forward . I appreciate you taking time to share your views .
Dave BulkowskiIt's never a problem, Jeff , and we'll talk soon .
Jeff CransonLike to thank you once more for tuning in to Talking Michigan Transportation . You can find show notes and more on Apple podcasts or Buzzsprout . I also want to acknowledge the talents of people who helped make this a reality each week , starting with Randy Debler , who skillfully edits the audio , Jesse Ball , who proofs the content , Courtney Bates , who posts the podcast of various platforms , and Jacke Salinas , who transcribes the audio to make it accessible to all .